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CEO Of A 10,000 Person Company Has Always Struggled To Listen...How Being Vulnerable Solved His Problems!

Leaders often find it challenging to genuinely listen to their employees, an essential component of vulnerable leadership. Explore how elevated energy can refine your decision-making & leadership...

This is a special and exclusive episode which is actually one of the interviews I did for my upcoming book, Leading with Vulnerability: Unlock Your Greatest Superpower to Transform Yourself, Your Team, and Your Organization.

Today’s Conversation is with Jerry Norcia, Chairman, CEO, & President of DTE Energy: a 10,000 employee company with a revenue of $19.29 billion! He underscores the power of trust, collaboration, and adaptability. Leadership, he says, is about fostering growth and resilience.

Tune in as Jerry shares his candid experiences, stories, and insights on being vulnerable at work and the impact it has had on his business and on him as a leader.


  • How to genuinely listen to employees for effective leadership.

  • How to cultivate a culture of trust and collaboration.

  • How to navigate challenges with open communication and adaptability.

  • How to leverage elevated energy for improved decision-making and leadership.

To hear from more Jerry and to learn from the over 100 other CEO I interviewed, make sure to grab a copy of my new book out NOW: Leading With Vulnerability.

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If you haven’t heard yet, my new book, Leading With Vulnerability is now out!

Is vulnerability for leaders the same as it is for everyone else?

It turns out it’s NOT!

Learn how the world’s top leaders approach vulnerability in the right way to lead through change, unlock the potential of others, create trust, and drive business performance.

Check it out & let me know what you think on Amazon, today!

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